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	I hope I have made some sense to you, and you don't believe this is all just crap nonsense made up by a "mentally disturbed person". Further I hope your questions were asked because of genuine interest in the causes of C.P., not because of any "hidden agenda". Unfortunately history has proven to me that there are plenty of people who think that the ends justify the means when it comes to people like me, and that they want to find a means to harm me. I gamble that this is not the case here. Well, my last hope is that I have both been earnest enough to give you honest answers, and at the same time I have grossed you out too much by them. If you feel the need to ask more questions, I'm always willing to try to answer them.<br>		I hope I have made some sense to you, and you don't believe this is all just crap nonsense made up by a "mentally disturbed person". Further I hope your questions were asked because of genuine interest in the causes of C.P., not because of any "hidden agenda". Unfortunately history has proven to me that there are plenty of people who think that the ends justify the means when it comes to people like me, and that they want to find a means to harm me. I gamble that this is not the case here. Well, my last hope is that I have both been earnest enough to give you honest answers, and at the same time I have grossed you out too much by them. If you feel the need to ask more questions, I'm always willing to try to answer them.<br>
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	With best regards, the chairman of MARTIJN,<br>		With best regards, the chairman of MARTIJN,<br>

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	<h2>7) Is there, in your point of view, any difference between an obscene drawing and an obscene pseudo-photograph (whatever obscene can mean referring to the very personal perception of it)?</h2>		<h2>7) Is there, in your point of view, any difference between an obscene drawing and an obscene pseudo-photograph (whatever obscene can mean referring to the very personal perception of it)?</h2>

	In the end the only difference will be the degree of possibility for the person using these pictures to stimulate his/her fantasies in such a way as to reach sexual gratification by them. It just depends on how powerful his/her imagination is, and how great his need for sexual relief. Some people will be better served by "real" looking pictures, other by pictures that show an (exaggerated) abstraction. Some people will even be better served with written pornography; it all depends on the person.~~<br>~~		In the end the only difference will be the degree of possibility for the person using these pictures to stimulate his/her fantasies in such a way as to reach sexual gratification by them. It just depends on how powerful his/her imagination is, and how great his need for sexual relief. Some people will be better served by "real" looking pictures, other by pictures that show an (exaggerated) abstraction. Some people will even be better served with written pornography; it all depends on the person. And of course some "variation of menu" is also often needed to keep being satisfied by what are essentially primitive and limited surrogates.
	And of course some "variation of menu" is also often needed to keep being satisfied by what are essentially primitive and limited surrogates.

	<h2>8) Eventually, where does this difference reside?</h2>		<h2>8) Eventually, where does this difference reside?</h2>

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	<i>source: 'Questions from Italy' by M. de Jong‏‎~~; Translated from Dutch~~; OK Magazine, no. 85; May 2003</i>		<i>source: 'Questions from Italy' by M. de Jong‏‎; OK Magazine, no. 85; May 2003</i>

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 In the end it became obvious that the larger group of heterosexuals were quite willing to "pay the price" of throwing the "paedophiles" for the lions in order to conciliate the gains of their new found freedoms. Not only the Dutch Right political wing, but also the Left dropped us like a brick. It seems they never really were that interested in our 'coming out', they just wanted every possible support for their own goals. So, they, the American puritans, in my opinion have succeeded in their goals admirable. Precisely because society as a whole did not really understand what was happening. And paedophiles, and what they had to tell and show, were in the mean time so demonized that nobody wanted to seriously listen to them anymore (if they ever did that in the first place is also doubtful). Also, almost nobody, (except for paedophiles themselves) has ever dared to look at the pictures they tried to use to demonstrate the sexuality of children. So I suppose, now, more than ever, all kinds of uncontrollable claims can be made about C.P. that everybody will accept as true with almost nobody trying to verify them. And even when one does happen to see a picture that disproves the claims made about C.P. one better keep's one's mouth shut about it, for fear of being arrested for possession. This has been true since the beginning of the attempts to make C.P. illegal, and I doubt much has changed since then. Of course, if you try to make something illegal, in the end criminals will offer it in some form for monetary gain. So I will not imply that the same thing is still going on unaffected. But this, all this fighting and demonising has caused paedophiles to become increasingly bitter. And some individuals have, for reasons ill describe below, unfortunately committed, (and I am very ashamed to admit it) acts against children that are too horrible to contemplate. Hate and love are two sides of the same coin.<br>
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-I am not trying to imply that all paedophiles will turn into potential child molesters, if all of this further escalates to a point that all possibilities of means to reach sexual gratification are eliminated. Remember, at the very least the possibility to reach orgasm just by using ones own fantasy can never be taken away! But in every randomly picked group of persons there will always be some individuals, who are more susceptible than others, to break down and become psychotic under influence of what can only be described as the enormous psychical stress inflicted on them.<br>
+I am not trying to imply that all paedophiles will turn into potential child molesters, if all of this further escalates to a point that all possibilities of means to reach sexual gratification are eliminated. Remember, at the very least the possibility to reach orgasm just by using ones own fantasy can never be taken away! But in every randomly picked group of persons there will always be some individuals, who are more susceptible than others, to break down and become psychotic under influence of what can only be described as the enormous psychical stress inflicted on them. It is not only the inability to have any form of sexual outlet that can make life miserable for a person with paedophilic feelings. But also the forced inability to utter ones feelings, and of being honestly oneself. Combined with the constant feeling of being (unjustly) hated by society, and the emptiness and loneliness in ones life caused by the impossibility of having a meaningful relation with the object of their love. Sometimes made acute when one is unfortunate enough to fall in love with a child, without any means to tell anybody, including and especially the child itself.<br>
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 Almost all paedophiles I know are therefore constantly fighting against their depressions and anxieties. Knowing all the time that a single letter exposing them as paedophiles to the nearest newspaper can make life even more like hell to them. In this situation, sexual frustration is just one single aspect contributing to their frustrations and misery. It would not further be that important to them, but just like when you have an itch you can't scratch, a simple thing like an itch can become an obsession if you can't do anything to resolve it. Even a real itch can then lead to self-damaging behaviour, if only the itch has to be endured for long enough. One only has to go see a movie such as "forty days and forty nights" to be reminded of what a burden forced sexual abstention can become. Extrapolate forty days and forty nights to forty years if you will... Perhaps then you will get a glimpse of what most paedophiles must endure (and yes, I know paedophiles can at least masturbate, but some loathe their paedophilic feelings so much they don't even allow themselves this outlet). Persons, with a leg cast, have been known to inflict wounds upon themselves by trying to scratch themselves with a metal wire just to get rid of a no longer bearable itch. Similarly some paedophiles can become so obsessed with getting rid of their particular "itch" that they get desperate and crazy enough to commit the most foolish and self-damaging acts. Most often they also unconsciously want somebody to stop them, even if it has the direst consequences for them.<br>
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